Monday 1 October 2012

Westerly Nomad (2)


Rig and Rudder



Well there seems to be quite a bit of support for the idea of purchasing a Westerly Nomad and this one seems to tick a significant number of boxes (although a few boxes remain unticked and there are still a few unanswered questions) Maybe someone can offer suggestions.

Firstly, the boat is ‘sound’ to the best of my knowledge. I undertook a boat surveying course last year organised by the International Institute of Marine Surveyors and seriously considered taking it up as a part-time retirement activity. Unfortunately, the cost of professional indemnity insurance for a rookie surveyor is such that I would have had to work full time to cover the fees, and that would have put me back to the 9-5 routine I was trying to avoid – so it didn’t happen. I do feel qualified to survey a small boat however, so I’m satisfied she is sound and, if I get it wrong, well, I can blame the surveyor but I can’t sue him.

She certainly fits the bill for shallow draft and as a triple keeled vessel, she’ll take the ground without falling over – so she’s good for estuary and canal. Previous Nomad owners have crossed the Atlantic and everyone tells me she is a good sea boat although she is slow. Cabin accommodation is likened to that of a 26 or 27footer, so she’ll be comfortable for two.

The Nomad is essentially a modified Westerly 22 and the Westerly 22 was Günter rigged – so maybe (and this needs further research) just maybe I could rig this Nomad as a Günter. The question is whether in developing the Nomad  from the 22, the designer moved the chain plates for the shrouds - I don’t know. Why does this matter?  Well, there can be no backstays with a Gunter rig so the responsibility for stopping the mast falling forward rests with the shrouds, attaching them as far aft as possible. The Nomad was always produced as a Bermudan sloop with backstays – so did Rayner move the shroud fitments forward when he added the chain plates on the transom? Interestingly enough, the Nomad has twin forestays, one of which sits inboard and attaches to the mast at two thirds the height of the mast – pretty much where the forestay on a Günter rigged vessel would have been. This seems a little like over-egging the pudding (as we say in Yorkshire) So, did Rayner simply add a mast headed forestay and backstays to the existing Gunter rig arrangement to accommodate Bermudan, or did he alter the location of the lateral stays as well? If the answer is the former, then I could perhaps consider conversion to Gunter. Either way this isn’t top of my list of priorities – it would be nice to do – if and when all the other issues have been dealt with.

At the moment I am more concerned with another modification which has been made to this particular Nomad. The rudder has been changed and moved to the transom and the space saved in the cockpit has been used to create an outboard well. Now this is both exciting and worrying. The new rudder looks strong enough and her fittings seem robust. The outboard well seems to be well-made and strong. If this modification works it frees up inboard engine space and makes for a cheaper and easier to maintain power source. The rudder however, is in a new location and is more exposed. Allain, a professional boat builder and sailor suggests that the new location for the rudder should improve performance over the original design and that if I am worried I can protect it and strengthen it by fitting an iron bar between from the bottom of the rudder and the bottom of the keel. A job, I might consider after a season’s use when I have got the measure of how she performs. 

With these modifications there is no question of bringing the boat back to her 'factory setting' so I certainly won't be 'restoring' a Westerly Nomad, instead I will be 'renewing and updating' a modified version. This isn't a problem for me, in that I always wanted to end up with something more comfortable that the rather austere vessels typical of 1960's GRP. 

So, you can guess my interest in this Nomad is more than casual. I know this boat will be in my price range (because they all are) but a price has to be negotiated and my concern is to achieve a fair settlement neither feeling ripped-off nor feeling that I have ripped anyone else off. I’m into Simple Sailing and Low Cost Cruising but I don’t want to achieve this at anyone else’s expense (unless they are a banker of course – they seem to be able to look after themselves well enough!). Now, these boats are old and so relatively cheap in the UK but rare in France so lets see what happens.


Seaward


9 comments :

  1. Don't for get the 'only spend half your budget' rule. In a boat that needs some major TLC, I'd be thinking 1/4 of your budget for the boat. The second 1/4 will be to fix her up, and the rest to fit her out.

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  2. And get a certified mechanic to go over that engine with a critical eye. Old outboards can be a real headache to own, and a serious expense to replace.

    I had to replace the outboard that came with my boat. It cost more than half what I paid for the boat.

    Think about it!

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  3. I want to put a transom mounted rudder on my Nomad. I wish it came that way, but it seems like a few people that were more serious about ocean sailing have modified them and are happier with the transom mount.

    My outboard mount is the original transom mount, and I would probably have some concerns with it in heavy seas. I like the idea of putting it through the cockpit though. It would probably help the outboard cavitation issue too.

    I don't really have any knowledge about switching rigs to a Gunter rig, but I do know that they are rock-solid boats, and will take some extreme abuse at sea.

    I really believe you will be pleased with it, if you are looking for something dependable. It may not win any races, but would probably stand up to a survival storm!

    By the way, I live in Texas, USA, and my Nomad was originally sailed to Texas from the UK.

    There is a good Westerly Nomad and 22 group that may be able to answer some of the questions you have about the rig:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WesterlyNomadand22/?yguid=138958277

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    1. Hello
      I am searching for a Westerly Nomad to buy. Please contact me.
      Thank you.
      Sincerely,
      David Maingot
      dmaingot@hotmail.com

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  4. Hi David
    Looks like you have found what you have been looking for. The robust nature of the boat should stand up well to any knocks in a canal. I always found that our Nomads engine had rather tricky access so the outboard arrangement may work well and make servicing easier. Also the tiller used to come nearly 70% of the way across the cockpit which meant everyone had to change places when swinging the tiller from one side to the other. Perhaps your new rudder mount will reduce this issue. Your marine surveying course sounds very useful, and i would be intersted in hearing where you took this. My own boat search has been stopped for the UK for the time being. I have joined a friendly local sailing club and am crewing on a Bavaria 30, racing in the Bristol channel, so am getting some sailing in. This continues to be a very steep but enjoyable learning curve, and is giving me plenty of opportunity to see how different boats perform and hop aboard a few to look around them as we lock in and out of the marina. Recent redundancy has given me a short window in which I may travel to the US for some sailing and potentially purchasing but we will have to see. Could be pipe dreams.
    I agree about your haggling issue the thought of it is something which fills me with dread. Hopefully if the seller is asking for a realistic and reasonable price then you wont have to haggle. Good luck.

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  5. Hi Dave,

    Did you buy the boat? I ask as I'm now looking at a Nomad I'm thinking of buying. It's in good shape, has the original rudder with an outboard bracket on the stern, and full height lifelines. There'a a Yamaha 8 HP long shaft outboard that also might come with the boat. I was thinking of moving to an aft rudder like you show if I buy the boat, for the same reasons. - If you did by the boat, would you mind if I asked more questions on your experience with her over the past year or so?

    I'm on facebook by the way.

    Thanks!

    Fred Goldfarb
    Long Island, ny

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  6. I just bought a Westerly Nomad 22 and yes it is comfortable .I am on the Blackwater and need to draw shallow that works . Interesting with this boat the shrouds rig straight to the top of the cabin but I am sure that was thought about all those years ago . The manager of the yard a professional shipwright by trade check the boat when erecting the mast .This is my first sailing boat prior I skippered a Colvic cabin motor boat boasting a Sabb 10 HP engine ,this boat is/was as strong as boots. I liked the idea that the Westerly was made of that strong old stuff . I high in sight I think an older boat may benefit from the shrouds to rig to the deck above the gunnels for that must be the stronger place taking in to consideration it age which the Westerly nomad design prevents. I have sloop rigging . The cockpit is compromised by the internal tiller and would achieve a lot more space if converted. I will wait and see, its an old boat but in good condition .There are four small hairline cracks from the centre shroud support plate starboard however he son of the yard manager on site assisting with the erection of the mast observed them as no concerns . I will monitor them constantly after sailing and water tight them . I run on a Yamnar 10 HP inboard for cruising she doubles as a pleasure boat motor cruising on a tide or two aboard . Over all I do not think I could have done a lot better of my money . My quarry was to by a sailor with a diesel inboard which she is . To get that much motor boat I was looking at an outlay of double ,without the wonderful option of sailing which I am enjoying.

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    1. Hello
      I am looking for a Westerly Nomad.
      Please contact me at dmaingot@hotmail.com.
      Sincerely,
      David Maingot

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